View Full Version : Request: Dragon and Queen Pre-req Re-vamp

08-28-2007, 05:31 PM
Reaver, Ascension and Titan are done well.

You get your items together and you're ready to re-do the Pre-raids/Raid themselves. Without having to zerg or beg, or die your way through pre-reqs like the VONs and Menechtarun for the Queen.

These raids need to be re-vamped to be on the level of their brethren who are more fun and entertaining for this reason alone.


08-28-2007, 05:34 PM
The queen I agree with, Dragon not so much, as the VoN series are my favorite quests in the game. :P

08-28-2007, 05:37 PM
I have to agree. Honestly these days I hate running the Vons, and while the DQ prequest zergathon is currently amusing it will soon lose that appeal.

The constant need to reflag is a drag. I prefer to run the Reaver and the Titan to the Dragon and DQ simply because of the reflagging process. God knows how many times we have put together a VON5 group or a DQ1 group only to find out that someone had screwed up their advancement(not talking to Husk or otherwise).

I would strongly support a permanent flagging with appropriate work to be done.(Collect X of whatever)


08-28-2007, 05:38 PM
I agree and disagree.

V1-4 are easily solo'able if you don't mind taking your time (if on a cleric or melee)

Dq preps are a bit of a pain but once again easily solo'able or duo'd.

But I think moving forward that Raids should be designed more like the Titan or Reaver Raids (don't have to constantly run preps.)

Once and again I think it'd be a great idea to have another Tempest Spine style raid for Capped levels.

I am, Rameses!

08-28-2007, 05:38 PM
Posted this in the WDA and thought I would drop it in here as well.

Over the last 1.5 weeks there has been a lot of talk about the raid loot and how it is going to change. The way the current system is (1:6-1:4 chance for loot with list every 20 runs) seems to be a nice compromise and something that i will be able to live with easily.

My request is that you take a look at the different raid timers. Currently the raids list out like this.

Tempest Spine: Go in whenever you want. No bound raid items.

VoN: Von1-4 pre-req, then Von 5 and 6. You can start the entire sequence every 3 days.

Titan:Need to run HiPS then Bring me head of Ghola Phan and Shrieking Mines. You only need to run the pre-req quests once and then you can enter Titan pre-raid and raid every three days without doing anything else.

Demon Queen: Need to get "items" from pre-req quests that you hand in. You can stockpile these 3 items (bowl, orb, phylactry) so that you can enter the pre-raid (6 man) every three days. You can run the pre-req quests at any time even while waiting for the timer to reset.

Reaver Raid: Collect 20 elven, 20 giant, and 20 dragon relics, do pre-raid and get blooded by 3 dragons and you can enter the Reaver Raid every 3 days eithout doing anything else.

I have no real issue with how Tempest, Reaver, Titan, and DQ are set up. I would ask that the Von Series be looked at again. I think that doing the entire Von series 1-6 each time is fine (a bit of a grind but no biggie) but i would ask that the timer ONLY be for Von 5 and 6. That is, while waiting for the timer to reset you can go through Von 1-4 sometime in the course of that 3 days. Yes, you can zerg through Von1-4 in a very short time but it would be nice to be able to do them over a few days.

Thanks again for re-looking at the raid loot system and please consider changing the timer on VoN. (Ideally to something like reaver or titan but I would be happy with the timer just being for Von 5and 6.


08-28-2007, 05:40 PM
DQ - agree

VoN - would be nice, but not 100% necessary IMO. A good step up would be simply making it so that you can run VoN 1-4 in any order. Yes, most people would still run VoN 1-4 in the usual pattern, but it would allow some flexibility.

And I agree with Rameses, another TS style "raid" without flagging of any sort would be great fun.

08-28-2007, 05:43 PM
I agree

08-28-2007, 05:46 PM
Being able to run VoN 1-4 in any order would smooth that pre-req a lot.

The DQ pre-reqs are obsurdly long and tiresome... allow us to reflag by simply redoing the DQ1 quest without the three others. That would put it directly on par with the Titan.

Lately all I do is log on every three days to run the Reaver, I do not have hours to play atm... I am flagged and ready for DQ raid, but it takes a very long time to find a group that is ready for her.

08-28-2007, 05:51 PM
I like the other suggestion of not having to wait 3 days for VON 1-4. Having said that I would like to avoid these in the future as I agree running them the first time was a challenge (7th level Pali) and fun I just can't see having to run them again and again for the Dragon.

08-28-2007, 05:56 PM
I am on the fence here.

I love the VoN's as a whole, but hate VoN 2. I barely do the DQ (ehehe, Dairy Queen) quests at all, so I don't mind doing them aside from the long walks to get there. I would say make the DQ just like the Titan and Reaver, but leave the dragon as is.

08-28-2007, 06:01 PM
They just take up a lot of time. I feel all the raids should share a similar mechanic. Their diversity is not entertaining to me. Based on how it is currently.

08-28-2007, 06:05 PM
I have easily run each of the queen prereqs a hundred times. PLEASE, take the constant need to do so away.