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HeavenlyCloud
08-18-2007, 01:01 AM
Hello i recently made a barbarian and i'm just looking for some advice to improve my build. Here is what i have in mind.

This is a 32 point build.


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Barb 1.0
Level 14 Chaotic Good Dwarf Male
(14 Barbarian)
Hit Points: 328
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 3
Will: 3

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 14) (Level 14)
Strength 18 21 21
Dexterity 8 8 8
Constitution 20 20 23
Intelligence 8 8 8
Wisdom 8 8 8
Charisma 6 6 6

Level 1 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting

Level 2 (Barbarian)

Level 3 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR

Level 5 (Barbarian)

Level 6 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting

Level 7 (Barbarian)

Level 8 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR

Level 9 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons

Level 10 (Barbarian)

Level 11 (Barbarian)

Level 12 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting

Level 13 (Barbarian)

Level 14 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Critical Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Critical Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Willpower I
Enhancement: Barbarian Willpower II
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness I
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness II
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness III
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution II
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness III
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness IV



No tomes. (Thinking about using +2 on Dexterity and Wisdom)
+5 items for Constitution (36 raged) and Strength (34 raged).
+6 item for Dexterity.
Nightforge Darkhelm for Will Saves.

Is thoughness a good feat or should i go with Power Attack?

I wonder if this build works for end game content, specially with Gianthold Tor dragons norm/hard/elite.

Thanks in advance for the help.

BUpcott
08-18-2007, 01:16 AM
So basically you will have no reflex save or a very low will. You didn't even take dwarven spell defense. Seems like you are simply going for max HP. Personally I am not a fan of it. But with that said my barbarian is 16 16 16 8 16 6. And I don't have a problem hitting things or with HP. Also I am a fan of spring attack rather than grtr THF, but its play preference.
When it comes down to it tho it's your build and depends on your play style. So ultimately it's your choice.

Shade
08-18-2007, 01:34 AM
Two words for this build. Mana sponge. Toughness is highly wasteful on a barbarian.

Swap toughness for power attack and toughness enhance for dwarvne spell resist and DR boost and you'll tank the dragons on elite no problem.

Without power attack your DPS will be too low to keep up.
Without DR boost or good saves youll be on your back or dead too soon.

Why you don't need toughness:
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8675/screenshot01530ku1.jpg
(my build starts 16 con and no toughness and does not max the con enhancements)

HeavenlyCloud
08-18-2007, 01:39 AM
So basically you will have no reflex save or a very low will. You didn't even take dwarven spell defense. Seems like you are simply going for max HP. Personally I am not a fan of it. But with that said my barbarian is 16 16 16 8 16 6. And I don't have a problem hitting things or with HP. Also I am a fan of spring attack rather than grtr THF, but its play preference.
When it comes down to it tho it's your build and depends on your play style. So ultimately it's your choice.

Reflex Save = 3 base + 2 Modifier (Dex item), +4 Greater Heroism +4 Resistance Item = 13 (17 with Uncanny Dodge).

Will Save = 3 base +5 NiteForged Helm +0 Wisdom + 4 Indomitable Will, +2 Will Rage, +2 Rage Morale Bonuse +2 Dwarf Racial = 18

Are this saves too low for end game content?

If they are i might up de Wis and Dex a little bit. Thanks for the feedback.

HeavenlyCloud
08-18-2007, 01:44 AM
Two words for this build. Mana sponge. Toughness is highly wasteful on a barbarian.

Swap toughness for power attack and toughness enhance for dwarvne spell resist and DR boost and you'll tank the dragons on elite no problem.

Without power attack your DPS will be too low to keep up.
Without DR boost or good saves youll be on your back or dead too soon.

Why you don't need toughness:
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8675/screenshot01530ku1.jpg
(my build starts 16 con and no toughness and does not max the con enhancements)

If i take Power Attack, should i take the enhancements? or they are kinda a waste of AP's that can be used somewhere else.

Sydril
08-18-2007, 01:47 AM
Reflex Save = 3 base + 2 Modifier (Dex item), +4 Greater Heroism +4 Resistance Item = 13 (17 with Uncanny Dodge).

Will Save = 3 base +5 NiteForged Helm +0 Wisdom + 4 Indomitable Will, +2 Will Rage, +2 Rage Morale Bonuse +2 Dwarf Racial = 18

Are this saves too low for end game content?

If they are i might up de Wis and Dex a little bit. Thanks for the feedback.

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16
8
12
6

stats for a 32 point dwarf is a much better spread. you get way more bang for your buck on stat points.

Shade
08-18-2007, 01:50 AM
Saves are a bit low yes.. Well basicly there as low as you can get on a barb due to your heavy min-max stats.

Good numbers to shoot for saves are +25 buffed. +30 will get you making saves on rolls of all but 1.

Yea you want the power attack enhancement, probably lvl2. Reserve lvl3 for until you get all the good raid gear and +2 tome or if you group with a bard often.

HeavenlyCloud
08-18-2007, 02:15 AM
Thanks for the help. I will start thinking on new numbers for my barbarian and hopefully they will be better.

HeavenlyCloud
08-18-2007, 11:53 AM
Barb 2.0


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 2.65
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Barb 2.0
Level 14 Chaotic Good Dwarf Male
(14 Barbarian)
Hit Points: 258
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 6
Will: 5

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 14) (Level 14)
Strength 18 21 21
Dexterity 14 14 14
Constitution 16 16 20
Intelligence 8 8 8
Wisdom 12 12 12
Charisma 6 6 6

Level 1 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting

Level 2 (Barbarian)

Level 3 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack

Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR

Level 5 (Barbarian)

Level 6 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting

Level 7 (Barbarian)

Level 8 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR

Level 9 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons

Level 10 (Barbarian)

Level 11 (Barbarian)

Level 12 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting

Level 13 (Barbarian)

Level 14 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Reduction Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Reduction Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Reduction Boost III
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Reduction Boost IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Critical Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Critical Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Willpower I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution II



I hope this barbarian is better than the other i posted.

Taur
08-19-2007, 07:01 AM
The stats look better. Personally i'd go Cleave/Great Cleave instead of the THF line. you'll do more damage in a crowd spamming those and you get weapon effects on the cleave/great cleave hits that you don't get with THF glancing blows.