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Uska
08-13-2007, 11:44 AM
Sounds fair to me.


Getting better at being a ninja

Onubis
08-13-2007, 11:44 AM
ok upon seeing the talk about half-orc, something in those threads caught my eye. the racial line of stat enhancments. every race has 1 that runs in line with the stat thats boosted. drow has only 1 line, dex. fine and cool only 1 line should be allowed, but how about let the player decide which drow line should be used, dex, int, or cha.
this topic is no doubt gonna draw flames from drow haters but seriously would talk about this please. constructive feedback is welcomed.

Onubis
08-13-2007, 12:24 PM
gotten 1 reply since posting about an hour ago... i expected atleast abunch of flames about drow lol.

Cowdenicus
08-13-2007, 12:26 PM
something similar to human adaptability wouldn't be bad (with just cha/int/dex), but getting to choose between a +2 to any of them is a bit much. Afterall, they're already favored for int/cha based builds without this.

Currently, all racial stat enhancements are either dex or con, primarily "defense" related attributes. I'd really rather not see that change.

It will change when half orcs come out, and it has changed with humans so....

/ninjas FTW

Laith
08-13-2007, 12:27 PM
something similar to human adaptability wouldn't be bad (with just cha/int/dex), but getting to choose between a +2 to any of them is a bit much. Afterall, they're already favored for int/cha based builds without this.

Currently, all racial stat enhancements are either dex or con, primarily "defense" related attributes. I'd really rather not see that change, because in DDO offense is alot more valuable than defense proportionally, and the race with offense enhancements is better than the race with defense ones.

Cowdenicus
08-13-2007, 12:27 PM
There could be some issues as that would clearly put drow over the top for casting classes, as opposed to their only +1 (DC et al.) advantage they have now, it could boost it up as high as +3 at times over other races.

Laith
08-13-2007, 12:30 PM
It will change when half orcs come out, and it has changed with humans so....
i really hope half-orcs get con instead of str. When H-O's come out with str enhancements (and a +4 advantage), all the melees are gonna start crying about being gimped. Worse than the casters did when drow were announced.

They're probably gonna get str though *sigh*

Onubis
08-13-2007, 12:33 PM
something similar to human adaptability wouldn't be bad (with just cha/int/dex), but getting to choose between a +2 to any of them is a bit much. Afterall, they're already favored for int/cha based builds without this.

Currently, all racial stat enhancements are either dex or con, primarily "defense" related attributes. I'd really rather not see that change, because in DDO offense is alot more valuable than defense proportionally, and the race with offense enhancements is better than the race with defense ones.

drow r also favored dex, they get a +2 to dex, int and cha, with a -2 to con.
double checked to be certain. thats y i was asking for the choice between the 3. dex is also an offensive stats that rogs and rgrs regularly use. dex doesnt really help my sor or wiz much, liking it on my rog though.

Onubis
08-13-2007, 12:34 PM
i really hope half-orcs get con instead of str. When H-O's come out with str enhancements (and a +4 advantage), all the melees are gonna start crying about being gimped. Worse than the casters did when drow were announced.

They're probably gonna get str though *sigh*

well think if h-o's and dwarves, theyll make 2 different type of tanks, h-o's will be major dmg dealers and dwarves will be able to take more of a beating.

Laith
08-13-2007, 12:36 PM
well think if h-o's and dwarves, theyll make 2 different type of tanks, h-o's will be major dmg dealers and dwarves will be able to take more of a beating.
ya know, as long as we keep callin them HO's, i'm happy :D

Onubis
08-13-2007, 12:38 PM
ok if we dont want the scores to get too high, how bout change the racial enhancments to the weak score?

Onubis
08-13-2007, 12:38 PM
ya know, as long as we keep callin them HO's, i'm happy :D

LOL didnt even notice that, thats gonna sound great in game.
"hey get whats his name, heessss a ho, he can dmg deal for us"

Laith
08-13-2007, 12:40 PM
ok if we dont want the scores to get too high, how bout change the racial enhancments to the weak score?aww, and you were doing so well. What would that enhancement be called? Abnormal Dwarven Charisma? :p

Nah, your earlier point is fine: HO's and dwarves could represent the opposite ideals of melee... it all depends on the other enhancements that will be had. If, for instance, HO Toughness (tee-hee) exists, we have a problem.

Onubis
08-13-2007, 12:42 PM
aww, and you were doing so well. What would that enhancement be called? Abnormal Dwarven Charisma? :p

Nah, your earlier point is fine: HO's and dwarves could represent the opposite ideals of melee... it all depends on the other enhancements that will be had. If, for instance, HO Toughness (tee-hee) exists, we have a problem.

again you make me laugh!
btw i havent played a human in awhile what did they change and when did they do it.

Uska
08-13-2007, 12:44 PM
i really hope half-orcs get con instead of str. When H-O's come out with str enhancements (and a +4 advantage), all the melees are gonna start crying about being gimped. Worse than the casters did when drow were announced.

They're probably gonna get str though *sigh*

I can almost promise str already have tow who get con. and half-orcs are known for str

Laith
08-13-2007, 12:46 PM
btw i havent played a human in awhile what did they change and when did they do it.1) humans get human adaptability (mentioned it earlier)

basically, for 2 AP they can get +1 in any ability score (str/dex/con/int/wis/cha)

later, for 4 AP they can get +1 in any OTHER ability score (so if you chose STR for 2AP, you can't pick it for 4AP).

This would be an alternative option for drow (limited to just dex/cha/int), as i mentioned, but dex was chosen for a max of +2 instead. Offering +2 dex OR +2 int OR +2 cha is a bit much, but only offering +2 dex is ok (In My Opinion).

2) humans get Human Recovery, which increases the amount of HP they recieve from Healing effects. This is effectively a human toughness in it's own right, except that it doesn't help as much against massive hits.

3) (SOON) humans will get most (all?) of the action boosts from human versatility (skills/AC/Saves/to-hit/etc).

Onubis
08-13-2007, 12:48 PM
ty L, should go back and read my response about ho's lol.

hmmm how bout this make drow like humans in the way that u get only a +1 bonus to either dex/int/cha for racial enhancments?

Ive seen rgrs with a dex of 36 by lvl 16 they could have close to 40( +7 dex item , +3 dex tome, lvl16 ability score plus etc)

Laith
08-13-2007, 12:50 PM
I can almost promise str already have tow who get con. and half-orcs are known for str
drow are known for cha and int too, but those aren't represented as enhancements. Which is where this thread began ;)

Ziggy
08-13-2007, 12:52 PM
drow are known for cha and int too, but those aren't represented as enhancements. Which is where this thread began ;)
Aye, but drow are technically a sub species of elves who get +2 to dex, and therefore thats how come the drow get dex enhancements.

Onubis
08-13-2007, 12:57 PM
Aye, but drow are technically a sub species of elves who get +2 to dex, and therefore thats how come the drow get dex enhancements.

well makes sense that way, but trying to tell a matron mother that shes a sub-elf =P
oh damn wrong world anyways.

Laith
08-13-2007, 12:58 PM
Aye, but drow are technically a sub species of elves ...sure, but half-orc? :D :D

edit: of course, not an argument against a strength enhancement.

Onubis
08-13-2007, 01:05 PM
what if the half-orc is also part elf??? nothing in ddo says half-orcs are only part human also.

Ziggy
08-13-2007, 01:13 PM
well makes sense that way, but trying to tell a matron mother that shes a sub-elf =P
oh damn wrong world anyways.
hey just direct the matron mother to this.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/elf.htm#drow

Also known as dark elves, drow are a depraved and evil subterranean offshoot.


and for the portion that matters in eberon,

These traits are in addition to the high elf traits, except where noted.

Cowdenicus
08-13-2007, 01:14 PM
ooo half orc-half drow.

gets a +2 to str, +1 to dex, -1 to int and cha.

Very nice.