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Reisei
08-10-2007, 11:48 PM
i wanted to get 40% less hate but i couldnt manage to do it :/ does anyone have any idea of how to get the 40% less hate and still be able to disable elite traps

Reisei
08-10-2007, 11:49 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/CJGMURPG/DDOitems/Treason.jpg

i wanted to effectively dual wield it while still being able to disable elite traps



Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 2.70
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Level 14 Chaotic Good Halfling Male
(1 Fighter \ 12 Rogue \ 1 Ranger)
Hit Points: 110
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 11\11\16\21
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 21
Will: 5

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 14)
Strength 9 10
Dexterity 20 30
Constitution 9 10
Intelligence 15 16
Wisdom 9 10
Charisma 11 12

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 1
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 14

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 14)
Balance 5 15
Bluff 1 1
Concentration 0 0
Diplomacy 5 17
Disable Device 7 22
Haggle 1 1
Heal 0 0
Hide 9 28
Intimidate 1 1
Jump 0 8
Listen 4 18
Move Silently 9 27
Open Lock 9 26
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 3 3
Search 7 27
Spot 4 16
Swim 0 0
Tumble 9 25
Use Magic Device 5 18

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting

Level 2 (Rogue)

Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse

Level 4 (Rogue)

Level 5 (Rogue)

Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Search

Level 7 (Rogue)

Level 8 (Rogue)

Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting

Level 10 (Rogue)

Level 11 (Rogue)

Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons

Level 13 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant

Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabber I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabber II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabber III
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device III
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Rogue Search II
Enhancement: Rogue Search III
Enhancement: Rogue Search IV
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III

Reisei
08-10-2007, 11:52 PM
how come it put my second post above my first...

Reisei
08-10-2007, 11:58 PM
i wimpered inside when i saw that weapon :p

dakkon75
08-12-2007, 07:46 AM
Dude you just ninja'd yourself that is awesome definitely an epic skill if I ever heard of one.

Impaqt
08-12-2007, 10:45 AM
Good Build, But too Squishy. Your Rogue Skills are pretty good, but I dont think your Cabal Elite level.....

Reisei
08-14-2007, 04:41 AM
hmm how about i go 9 ranger 5 rogue? rangers get gtwf at level 9 right? hmm ill screw around a bit more

Reisei
08-14-2007, 04:47 AM
oh **** i forgot about subtle backstabber thats key

smodge13
08-14-2007, 04:51 AM
edit: not helpful

SableShadow
08-15-2007, 03:56 AM
oh **** i forgot about subtle backstabber thats key


Nope. Sneak attack dice are the key. The cool thing about Treason isn't really the agro reducer, it's that you get the +3 backstabbing *and* Deception on the same weapon...the only other way to get something similar is Backstabber's gloves (+2 sneak attack) and Deception weapons.

It's pretty much a cool-looking-but-otherwise-bankfodder weapon on anything that doesn't have sneak attack dice. A high level rogue + Itwf w/ Treason in the offhand and a +5 elemental of deception rapier in the main rocks pretty hard for DPS, though.

tc12
08-15-2007, 03:38 PM
I know this doesn't relate to the sneak/hate issues in your OP, but I can't help but point out this optimization in your Enhancements:



Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost III

Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device III

Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I

Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Rogue Search II
Enhancement: Rogue Search III
Enhancement: Rogue Search IV


OK, that's 23 AP for +4 search, +3 disable, +1 open and +0 spot

Instead, go Way of the Mechanic, which includes as prerequisites Boost II, Open II, Disable II, Fire (or other element) trap lore I and Trap Sense I. That's 15 points. Add boost III back if ya like, search I & II and now for 21 points you have:

+4 search, +4 disable, +2 open and +2 spot.

Lower cost, better result.

TC

Blazer
08-15-2007, 04:43 PM
hmm how about i go 9 ranger 5 rogue? rangers get gtwf at level 9 right? hmm ill screw around a bit more

Rangers get GTWF at lvl 11. Improved TWF is at 6. Regarding your stat distribution, 20 DEX is overkill man, and the 9 CON will get you killed. Pull that DEX back to 18 and use those 6 build points elsewhere (CON and WIS most likely).

Vengenance
08-24-2007, 02:17 PM
20 dex is way over-kill. I started with an 18 dex and my rogue is currently at a 34, which is over-kill. Put some points into con and maybe strength.

Hokonoso
08-28-2007, 01:58 PM
I dunno why you guys worry about threat, at 14 stuff dies after a few sneak attacks... who cares if you get aggro a lot? with high umd you never die unless you just really suck at life... And why oh why would you want 61 search for cabal elite useless chest? even without it you can still open the chest with some detect secret door goggles, only thing you gain with this is that the rest of the group can also get chest.... a useless chest that never drops anything good mind you. Treason is a great weapon but I'd rather wounding/puncturings or greater banes personally.