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Roguewiz
07-31-2007, 09:26 PM
Relocated to the custom build section

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=322429
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tc12
08-01-2007, 11:23 AM
If I was to reroll...


Great as total non-favor build. That said...

If you were to reroll, would you still go Elf? This really seems ideal for Drow. You could take both INT and CHA to 16. Even a 32 pt Elf could only take one of them from 14 to 16, not both. As the build doesn't utilize any Elf enhancements that Drow don't also get, you're just throwing some stat points away.

Really any time you want to take 2 or more of DEX/INT/CHA *above* 14, Drow does this more cheaply stat-wise than even any 32 pt racial build can. So 28 +4 > 32 in cases where the +4 is used for 1:1 gain not 2:1 (ie, point spent:stat increase).

TC

Again, not taking away anything from this build, just mentioning it for optimization for anyone considering it. If you still want Elf purely for flavor/role-playing reasons, this still works great.

Roguewiz
08-01-2007, 11:32 AM
Great as total non-favor build. That said...

If you were to reroll, would you still go Elf? This really seems ideal for Drow. You could take both INT and CHA to 16. Even a 32 pt Elf could only take one of them from 14 to 16, not both. As the build doesn't utilize any Elf enhancements that Drow don't also get, you're just throwing some stat points away.

Really any time you want to take 2 or more of DEX/INT/CHA *above* 14, Drow does this more cheaply stat-wise than even any 32 pt racial build can. So 28 +4 > 32 in cases where the +4 is used for 1:1 gain not 2:1 (ie, point spent:stat increase).

TC

Again, not taking away anything from this build, just mentioning it for optimization for anyone considering it. If you still want Elf purely for flavor/role-playing reasons, this still works great.

I'd most definitely go Drow. Wish they existed in the game when I made the character (Head Start Weekend).

WolfSpirit
08-01-2007, 11:39 AM
Though I'm all in favor for creating character builds "Bare bones" for the casual player who won't ever acquire half of the items used in the build. Seems like with them included it isn't a viable build without items.

Items with build = Item Dependant build which is a failure without said items.

True? Hard to tell without seeing them without items.

Tallyn
08-01-2007, 12:33 PM
Since our builds are very similar (although I am Drow) I am just going to post my build here alongside yours:



Calar
Level 14 Lawful Good Drow Female
(2 Paladin \ 12 Rogue)

Abilities
Strength 12 Base (19 w/Items and Enhancements)
Dexterity 16 Base (30 w/Items and Enhancements)
Constitution 12 Base (20 w/Items and Enhancements)
Intelligence 14 Base (16 w/Items and Enhancements)
Wisdom 10 Base (12 w/Items and Enhancements)
Charisma 16 Base (24 w/Items and Enhancements)


Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 14
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 14
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 14
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 14
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 14
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 14


Items Equipped
+6 Charisma Helm
Sandstorm Goggles (or Kundarak Delving Goggles)
Golden Cartouche
+5 Protection Cloak
White Dragonscale Robe
Chaosgarde
+6 Strength Gloves
+6 Dexterity Ring
Chattering Ring
+6 Constitution Belt
Dustless Boots

+5 Heavy Mithril Shield
+4 Holy Rapier of Pure Good


Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue ColdTrap Lore I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabber I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabber II
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Way of the Mechanic I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock II
Enhancement: Elf Search I
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Elf Spot I
Enhancement: Rogue Spot I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Feats Selected
Dodge
Combat Expertise
Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
Improved Critical: Piercing
Weapon Finesse



Only two items I really need at this time is Titan Belt (+6 Str, +30 HP) and Seven Finger Gloves



Will add skills and saves and a few other things later...

Roguewiz
08-01-2007, 12:48 PM
Though I'm all in favor for creating character builds "Bare bones" for the casual player who won't ever acquire half of the items used in the build. Seems like with them included it isn't a viable build without items.

Items with build = Item Dependant build which is a failure without said items.

True? Hard to tell without seeing them without items.

From that standpoint, you are correct. However, people must think beyond what the Character Tool shows. While, it does give you an accurate representation of what your character will look like, it does not show what you will look like equiped. This is why all builds typically include the items in their creation. This helps give the player, and the people reading it, a good idea one what the character will be able to do.

Raquelis is nowhere near complete. I don't have all the gear I want, or could dream to want. The build is effective, even without raid gear or the "best" gear. Typical "PUG" aquired gear is more than adequate.