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Impaqt
07-31-2007, 11:12 AM
The Death Dealer Rogue Version 2.0


I decided to go Ranger for L15. I think the Die Hard feat works Great for this build. AUto Stabilization will most asuredly save a Death or 2. I Think I'll take a Weapon Focus for my l15 feat for an extra +1 to Hit. I might Take EWP: Kama on my personal build because I have a few Kamas I'd like toget the extra To hit for.. Particularly my Vorpal.


Pros:
Massive DPS as long as you dont take aggro away from your Tanks.
Reasonable AC
Tap Skills for anythng in the game
Healing Wand Useage. (Your Cleric will apreciate this since you WILL take damage)
UMD High enough to Use Raise Dead/HEAL Scrolls wthout Fail
Incredible Flexibility with Robes.

Cons:
Low Will Save But Getting Better!(Common for Rogue Builds)
Resonable AC but not Great.
Lose 2 Rogue Special Abilities and 2d6 Sneak Attack
No Superior TWF Till Level 18.



Leesa2.0
Level 16 True Neutral Drow Female
(2 Fighter \ 11 Rogue \ 3 Ranger)
Hit Points: 227/257
20 Heroic DUrability
20 Fighter L2
24 Ranger L2
66 Rogue L10
10 Dragnic Vitality
64 CON Bonus
18 Toughness
5 Toughness ENH
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227
30 Greater False Life
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257 Hit Points

Spell Points: 0

BAB: 13

TO HIT:
13 BAB
12 DEX Bonus
2 SS/Rapier ENH
3 Weapons
1 WF: Pierce
-2 TWF
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+29 First Swing UnBuffed
+4 Greater Herism
+1 Haste
+2 Recitation
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+36

Ac: Two Weapon Fighting
10 Base
12 Dex Bonus
5 Armored Bracers
3 Protection Item
2 Invaders Ring
4 Sheild Clicky
1 Haste
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37 With basic/Common Items
1 Barkskin Pot
2 +5 Protection Item
2 Recitation
1 +6 Armored Bracers
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43

46 Sword and Board

50 W/ uncanny Dodge



Standing Saves W/ +6 Item
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 28
Will: 12

3/0/0 Fighter L2
3/3/1 Ranger L3
3/7/3 Rogue L11
3/12/2 Attribute Mod
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12/22/6
4/4/4 Resistance Item
2/2/2 Head of Good Fortune
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18/28/12
4/4/4 Greater Heroism
2/2/2 Recitation
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24/34/18 Buffed Saves



Abilities (Level 1) (Level 14)
{20}Strength 10+3 tOME +1 Ftr Str +6Item
{34}Dexterity 18 +4Levels +2 Rogue +2 Elf +6 Item +2 Tome =34 (+12Mod)
{18}Constitution 12 +6Item
{22}Intelligence 16 +6 Item
{16}Wisdom 10 +6Item
{18}Charisma 12+6 Item

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 14)
Balance 8 23

Disable Device: 52/66
19 Ranks + 6INT Mod +13 Item +3 SF:DD +4 ENH +7 Tools = 52 +4 GH +5 Boost +2 Luck +3 Bracers = 66



Open Lock: More than enough
19 Ranks + 12Dex Mod +11 Item +7 Tools = 49 Add More if ya like, But your good there
Perform n/a n/a

Search 44/55
19 Ranks + 6INT Mod +13 Item +2 Drow +4 ENH= 44 +4 GH +5 Boost +2 Luck = 55
Spot 41/47
19 Ranks + 3WIS Mod +13 Item +2 Drow +4 ENH = 41 +4 GH +2 Luck = 47

Use Magic Device 29/40
19 Ranks + 4CHR Mod +3 Item +3 SF:UMD = 29 +4 GH +5 Boost +2 Luck = 40


Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Finesse

Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device

Level 4 (Ranger)

Level 5 (Rogue)

Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Disable Device

Level 7 (Rogue)

Level 8 (Rogue)

Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting

Level 10 (Rogue)

Level 11 (Rogue)

Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons

Level 13 (Rogue)

Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting

Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected)Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons

Level 16 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost IV
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance II
Enhancement: Elven Perception I
Enhancement: Rogue Acid Trap Lore I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Way of the Mechanic I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock II
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Rogue Spot I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I

EDIT:
Death Dealer Updated for Mod 6 Level 16 1/30/08

tc12
07-31-2007, 01:01 PM
A couple questions / comments:

First- "Massive DPS as long as you dont take aggro away from your Tanks." How do you manage this with neither Diplomacy nor Subtle Backstabber? This isn't a criticism, but a serious question as someone who built a Drow rogue without Diplomacy, not knowing about it until it was too late to try to catch up to any resonable number of ranks. Mine started as a repeater build, but now is almost all melee. I just took II levels of subtle backstabber, but haven't had it enough yet to know how much it helped. I sword-n-board, but with 2WF on this build it seems agro would be even more problematic than it is for me. So how do you manage it?

Second- I know I've pointed this out before, but can't avoid doing so again. Way of the Mechanic for 19 points versus the 18 points here (boost II, elf/rogue search/spot II, disable II) seems a must for any rogue not looking for one of the other "way of ..." tracks. Same net search & spot, 2 more disable, 4 more open, one more trap reflex save, and cheaper progression for any future spend in search, spot or disable.

Third- As a tharaskian, I'm looking forward to the merge! I hope to have the chance to play with you and others whose forum presence I've gotten to know over the last year or so.

TC

Aspenor
07-31-2007, 01:07 PM
A couple questions / comments:

First- "Massive DPS as long as you dont take aggro away from your Tanks." How do you manage this with neither Diplomacy nor Subtle Backstabber? This isn't a criticism, but a serious question as someone who built a Drow rogue without Diplomacy, not knowing about it until it was too late to try to catch up to any resonable number of ranks. Mine started as a repeater build, but now is almost all melee. I just took II levels of subtle backstabber, but haven't had it enough yet to know how much it helped. I sword-n-board, but with 2WF on this build it seems agro would be even more problematic than it is for me. So how do you manage it?


He doesn't PUG too much and makes sure he has a "heavy" tank to hold aggro.

Impaqt
07-31-2007, 01:11 PM
I manage aggro manually... I also Dual Weild Treason with a Seeker Weapon so that helps as well. Pick yer targetrs, switch targets often.. ANd have a Mean Paly Intimitank by your side :)

Leesa actually does run Way of the mechanic now... I lost my Revised Enhancents so need to redo those. and repost.

I'm also looking forward to the merge and getting to group with some of the forum faces... SHould be fun.. I'm cuttin back my play time dramitcally for a while though.... Should be back to my regular obsesive compulsive self when Mod5 Hits.

Roguewiz
07-31-2007, 01:47 PM
Impaqt,

Thanks for reposting the build.

I'll repost my Rogue-adin later on tonight, along with another variation of the build :D

Cambo
08-09-2007, 12:01 AM
Been running a 13/1 roguge fighter for a while and only just found out hat subtle backstab is an active feat...wow waht a difference on agro management.

I run with +5 burst rapier of PG and +4 burst light pick of righteousness....its insane when you get a 4 x crit on a sneak attack..for 4 x sneak attack damage + the rest... (feats.imp crit pierce & Imp 2WF)

I dont dual vorpal anymore cause I am contributing significantly to DPS now with Sublte backstab and the right weapons.

Now if I found a wounding puncturer...things might change...

RazorKhan
08-23-2007, 11:59 PM
Leesa actually does run Way of the mechanic now... I lost my Revised Enhancents so need to redo those. and repost.

Were these the Revised Enhancements?


Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost IV
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Elven Perception I
Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes I
Enhancement: Rogue Acid Trap Lore I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Way of the Mechanic I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock II
Enhancement: Ranger Search I
Enhancement: Ranger Spot I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I

Impaqt
08-24-2007, 12:06 AM
That is exactly correct. Thanks.

Impaqt
01-30-2008, 01:34 PM
Deathdealer has been Updated for Level 16/Mod 6.

+1d6 Sneak Attack
+ Die Hard Feat
Enhancments Updated
Hit Points and Saves Updated.

Gunga
02-26-2008, 11:42 AM
Deathdealer has been Updated for Level 16/Mod 6.

+1d6 Sneak Attack
+ Die Hard Feat
Enhancments Updated
Hit Points and Saves Updated.

Heya Impaqt:

Have you posted the edited build with the new changes anywhere? Also, why 3 ranger and not 12 rogue? Have you considered what the lvl 20 build might look like?

Thanks man.

Impaqt
02-26-2008, 12:02 PM
Heya Impaqt:

Have you posted the edited build with the new changes anywhere? Also, why 3 ranger and not 12 rogue? Have you considered what the lvl 20 build might look like?

Thanks man.
The OP was Edited toreflext the changes.

L3 Ranger for Die Hard Feat.

It will be Fighter/Rogue/Rogue/Fighter to Level 20 so I can take Superior 2WF at Level 20.

12 ROgue is kinda nice for the Bump to Saves, but I felt the Die hard feat was worth delaying that till next level cap.

SableShadow
01-27-2009, 10:11 PM
bump for upcoming maintenance