Hello! We have made some adjustments to Hireling stats and equipment at all levels. This thread is for feedback on these changes.
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Hello! We have made some adjustments to Hireling stats and equipment at all levels. This thread is for feedback on these changes.
i hope they are better then before and heal you not stand there and watch you die
Uhul!!! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Could we get a writeup on whats all been changed on each hireling or would that be too much work? It would help to know what we're (..ok me) are looking for/at?
The purpose of this thread is to gather details on how playing with hirelings feels currently on Lamannia.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrenceknight1
Hireling equipment at all levels has been updated. They should deal more damage in combat, and be a little more survivable (Within reason- these guys won't be soloing elite quests for you anytime soon).
Hireling ability scores have been redone. They progress much higher than they did previously.
Hirelings now have a high Concentration skill. Their spells will be interrupted far less (unless they get hit for a lot of damage in one hit).
To provide feedback, please include the following with your post:
- The name, class, and level of the hireling you used.
- Your level.
- The quest you ran.
- The difficulty that quest was set to.
- How you felt the hireling performed in that content.
Feedback presented without that information will not be taken into account. Thanks.
Just sais gear/stats have changed. Don't think more INT points contributes to hirling AI.Quote:
Originally Posted by whiteline
Are the changes found in the condeminium articals (have the ones for epic Hires been added yet)?
More concentration is great, particularly for the Cleric / FvS hires. Can you guys see your way to some of them learning Quicken too? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Feather_of_Sun
Also, less random attacking when set to defence would be awesome on these hires. Yelling at Albus to stop hitting the mobs is getting old :)
Can they get muckbanes?
My clerics end up punching things in The Pit before I even make it to the second furnace.
I also made their equipment unbreakable.Quote:
Originally Posted by der_kluge
I just posrepped you for that. I'll be in Boston in a few weeks. Remind me to buy you a beer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feather_of_Sun
Would it be possible to swap out a few spells from the epic hirelings to put in mass death ward? Like Andaro swap out Firestorm/Judgment for Mass Deathward? Heroes Feast/Judgement for deathward on Brec? Even with these changes it'll be incredibly hard to consider using the higher level hirelings when Albus still has the best spell selection by far.
Well, THAT elicited a "DUUUUDE!" from me. Kudos!Quote:
Originally Posted by Feather_of_Sun
I second the "Quicken" notion, but Concentration is a start...
I also second the "stop hitting stuff!" notion. I'd really like Defend on healers to be "Stand there and be a healbot. There's a REASON I used Invisibility on you, stop breaking it!"
Don't have access to lama right now, but would like to know if they've been granted level appropriate resist. Quite irritating having to waste SP or wands to prevent fire mephits from burning my Cleric hireling alive.
Sounds good. Summons in-scope, or need more practice with these first?Quote:
Originally Posted by Feather_of_Sun
This is darn great news all around. I don't do Lammania, but Im looking forward to trying them out since I use hirelings a bulk of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feather_of_Sun
OK I've been thru most if not all of this before in other threads but as I can't get onto Lamannia I'm going to reiterate:
1. Every lvl 8-14 Cleric Hireling that does NOT have DV should be given Radiant Burst!
Those being:
Fergus - Lvl 8
Samuel Merrik - Lvl 9
Fayden Maeleth - Lvl 10 {More on her later}
Flagon Moren - Lvl 12
Dheran Giles - Lvl 13
2. Fayden Maeleth - Come on - Her description states she's a follower of the Undying Court - What's with the Club?
3. Fighter Hirelings with Neg levels - Please take Maelstrom away from Castle!
4. Every lvl 16-20 Cleric Hireling whether they have DV or NOT should be Radiant at all times {AURA}.
Natasha and Ayron have DV - Allow us to choose to tell them NOT to go Radiant upon Summoning if we intend to use.
5. Aunidil Tor'Val, Nimeth Celibel, Tanya Brightstone, Larafay D'Orrett, Caraneth M'yar - These are Offensive FavSoul hirelings - Apart from Larafay they all need Boosting - DO NOT NERF LARAFAY!
6. Certain Hirelings have been better than others for a long time:
Kurik Forgewarden, Anvil, Toad, Tempys Lorben, Isadora Ironclaw, Shadow....
Level ups are in order in my opinion for these 6 at least.
7. On the other hand there are a few hirelings that could perhaps do with re-training:
Maloren, Nedry Smallfoot, Veil, Arkyn Shahrud...
I wouldn't shed a tear if these four were to be forced to defend Coyle for eternity.
8. K'Zurth Q'Arab - Was nerfed heavily a few updates ago - Now spams Enervate instead of Firewall - Still has the same incredibly low HP total and is just as much of an Aggro magnet but does NO dmg.
9. Zeran Hamsterherder - Someone should tell him he's Lvl 5 NOT lvl 7 - Spell Selection is seriously wonky. Either that or Level him up.
10. I love Wyoh - Most people don't BUT it's obvious to me that Implosion is there to be used - It does work pretty often too BUT I'd like to see Wyoh be given some DC/Spell Pen Boosts please for Epic Content.
11. Still on Wyoh - We have Zero, Zilch, Nada Epic Clerics - Why not Level up Wyoh to 21, Klin can take her place at 20, Heystack moves up to 19, Isadora to 18 and Ayron and Natasha stay where they are.
Now you have 1 Cleric Hire of each Lvl from 13-21 Leaving the FavSoul hires as the alternative.
12. Rogue Acrobats should use their Quarterstaves in Battle - Why do they all change weapons {only pulling out the staves when asked to Search/Disable}?
Anyone able to post the following:
- HP of a level 12-ish divine hireling
- Your best estimate as to the Fortification of a hireling in that level range
- The same for a level 16 or so one and a level 20+ one
By gear, do you mean some +6 con items? Their hp is usually really really low for level(in higher levels)
Thanks for updating hirelings btw!
Current Non-Augmented HP and SP for..Quote:
Originally Posted by sirgog
Flagon Moren - 162/944
Miranda Kelven - 172/858
Yes that's right Miranda has more HP than Flagon but he has more SPs.
Augmented..
Flagon - 200/986
Miranda - 210/900
So a level 12 has 172hp. Reverse engineering that:Quote:
Originally Posted by FranOhmsford
- Clr12: 96hp
- Heroic Durability: 20hp = 116
- Improved False Life OR Toughness item effect: 136
- 16 Con (including items): 172
What I'd expect to see on a first-lifer Clr12 with no hand-me-down loot:
- Clr12: 96
- Heroic: 116
- IFL: 136
- 20 Con (14 base, +1 tome, +5 item, all very easily traded for - even a 28 pointer should start at 14 Con): 196
- Toughness feat with two enhancements: 230
(Modify for race - 218 squishy races, 242 durable races).
Of course with more effort they could get a GFL item, +6 Con item, +2 tome and Toughness item but that is much less accessible to a first lifer.